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With that in mind I don't consider Social Security a government welfare program. It's more like a bank account they forced us to open at gun point.

Of course the government never deposited all the money they took from our pay checks into a retirement bank account. Instead they spent the money on other stuff.

Now it sounds like the government is saying they are not going to pay us back our Social Security money they took from us at gun point, but promised to pay back when we retired.

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Social Security reform weighed in debt debate

Debt strategy would mean higher taxes, benefit cuts

by Stephen Ohlemacher - Jul. 8, 2011 12:00 AM

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Once considered untouchable, Social Security is now in play in the debt-ceiling negotiations. That could mean higher income taxes for many U.S. families in addition to shaved benefits for tens of millions of retirees as they age.

Social Security became part of private discussions between President Barack Obama and Republican House Speaker John Boehner on coming up with "something big" to reduce deficits by $2 trillion to $4 trillion over the next decade. One option includes a new inflation measure for Social Security that could produce savings close to $200 billion through a combination of reduced benefits and higher taxes, White House officials said.

The president met with the eight top Republican and Democratic congressional leaders for an hour and a half Thursday, hoping to bridge deficit-cutting ideas held by the two sides. Obama said the two sides still are far apart and called everyone back to the White House on Sunday.

A proposed change in indexing Social Security benefits would most affect low- and middle-income families.

The proposal would represent a reversal for Obama. In contrast to his pledge to target tax increases at the wealthy, high-income families would largely be spared from tax increases that would result from changing the way inflation is measured. And, until now, the administration has been adamant that Social Security does not add to the deficit and should not be a part of deficit-reduction talks.

Adopting a new inflation measure would allow policy makers to gradually cut benefits and increase taxes in a way that might not be readily apparent to most Americans. The inflation measure under consideration is called the Chained Consumer Price Index. On average, the measure shows a lower level of inflation than the more widely used Consumer Price Index.

A Chained CPI assumes that as prices increase, consumers buy lower-cost alternatives, reducing the amount of inflation they experience. For example, if the price of beef increases while the price of pork does not, people will buy more pork.

There's no indication at this point whether Obama and congressional Republicans - and Democrats - will agree on the change, or, if they do, how broadly it might be applied.

The measure, if adopted across the government, would have a wide-ranging effect on taxes and government benefits, and those changes would grow over time. The change would mean smaller annual increases in Social Security payments, government pensions and veterans benefits. Current payments would not be affected, but recipients would get smaller increases in the future.

Overall, the proposal would cut Social Security benefits by $112 billion over the next decade, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. It would cut government pensions and veterans benefits by $24 billion over the same time period.

Reaction from the president's party was swift Thursday, raising questions about whether Obama can keep Democrats on board if he agrees to cuts in Social Security. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said her caucus won't support any package that includes Social Security cuts.

"Do not consider Social Security a piggy bank for giving tax cuts to the wealthiest people in our country," Pelosi said. "We are not going to balance the budget on the backs of America's seniors."

The White House has been negotiating with congressional leaders over ways to reduce the government's huge budget deficit as part of a deal to extend the nation's ability to borrow. The government is in danger of defaulting on its obligations if the $14.3 trillion borrowing limit is not increased by Aug. 2.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "The president has always said that while Social Security is not a major driver of the deficit, we do need to strengthen the program."

In most years, Social Security payments are increased based on a measure of inflation called the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers. If Social Security adopted the new measure, annual increases would be 0.3 percentage point smaller, according to the program's actuaries.

That could be a tough hit for seniors who have gone two years without a cost-of-living adjustment and are projected to get such a small one next year that it will probably be wiped out by higher Medicare Part B premiums for most recipients.

As the possible cuts are phased in, a typical 65-year-old who started receiving Social Security benefits at age 62 would get an annual reduction of about $130, according to an analysis of data produced by the Social Security actuaries. By the time that retiree reached 75, the annual cut would be $560. At 85, the cut would be $984 a year.

Average Social Security benefits are about $1,100 a month, or about $13,000 a year.

"Social Security has contributed nothing to these deficits and, to me, has no basis for being a part of these deficit talks," said Rep. Xavier Becerra of California, top Democrat on the House Social Security subcommittee.

If applied more broadly to the tax code, the new inflation measure could hit taxpayers at every income level, raising about $60 billion over the next decade for the government, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. It would limit increases in the standard deduction and personal exemption that most taxpayers claim. Income thresholds for the child credit and the Earned Income Tax Credit could be affected, and contributions to Individual Retirement Accounts could be limited.

The U.S. has a progressive income-tax system that taxes higher incomes at higher rates. For example, a married couple making $50,000 in taxable income pays a 10 percent tax on the first $17,000 and a 15 percent tax on the rest.

Those thresholds, or brackets, are adjusted each year to ensure that people don't get a tax increase just because their incomes increase with inflation. Adopting the Chained CPI would mean smaller adjustments to the brackets, leading to higher taxes for people at just about every income level.

Low-wage workers would eventually see the biggest increases, while high-income taxpayers would see only small changes. That's because the wealthiest taxpayers already pay taxes at the highest marginal rate, currently 35 percent.

For example, by 2021, taxpayers making $10,000 to $20,000 would see a 14.5 percent increase in their income taxes with a Chained CPI, according to an analysis by the Joint Committee on Taxation. Taxpayers making more than $500,000 would get a tax increase of 0.3 percent, while those making more than $1 million would get a tax increase of 0.1 percent.